Moving on Up/Out

[Rebel Pebble]

Definitely the right decision. Well done for getting the offer though!

[smalex]

Blimey. On call permanently and for this they offer the legally mandated minimum holiday allowance?

[Mrs Danvers]

I agree it’s ridiculous. The on-call 24/7 wouldn’t even be worth it for mega-bucks, so for pennies, absolutely not.

Totally. What is it with these ridiculous, demanding start-ups? So it's your baby and you want to watch over it 24/7? Good for you, knock yourself out. For everyone else, it's just a job.

I think you absolutely did the right thing, Beanio. They sound like they already have very unrealistic expectations. There's a much better job out there for you.

[Ella77]

Blimey. On call permanently and for this they offer the legally mandated minimum holiday allowance?

I know! What the hell?

I turned down a job once at a place that was based in the States, and they “hadn’t established their UK HR policies yet” so they couldn’t offer me a fixed amount of leave, or sick leave, nor any other benefits at all yet but “we’ll give you £40 a month towards your gym membership if you have one”. Sounds good, right ?

Well done for being offered it, Bean. Did you get a chance to say why you were turning it down?

[Turtle Bean]

Yes, the recruiter was really nice actually and I explained it all politely but added that the permanent on call was a red flag they might want to think about.

[Turtle Bean]

Also yes the holiday days were the last straw to be honest, plus a work mobile being offered as a perk! It's not 1995, we all have one now.

[Ella77]

a work mobile being offered as a perk!

I feel a bit sorry for them now.

[Rebel Pebble]

Also yes the holiday days were the last straw to be honest, plus a work mobile being offered as a perk! It's not 1995, we all have one now.

Especially in the context of the On Call situation. Oh joy! The "perk" of a work mobile I have to keep glued to my person and on at all times.

[smalex]

Also yes the holiday days were the last straw to be honest, plus a work mobile being offered as a perk! It's not 1995, we all have one now.

No! If you asked politely, might they let you use the office Fax machine from time to time?

[nineseven]

Good for you, Bean.

When you're on call 24/7, does that mean you have to have your phone on all the time in order for them to be able to wake you in the night?

[Turtle Bean]

Yes, it does. I don't mind doing it, but normally you are on a rota and get an on call payment plus time in lieu.

[Kenickie]

Smal!

Well done on both points - the offer and having the self belief to reject it.

[nineseven]

That's awful without a rota! I can't even imagine. What could possibly be that important? Do they do the IT for the nuclear button?

[Kenickie]

Yes, it does. I don't mind doing it, but normally you are on a rota and get an on call payment plus time in lieu.

That set up makes sense, but permanently having one person is ludicrous. What if you got ill? And I imagine the constant stress would mean that was inevitable.

[nineseven]

Telling someone to try turning it off and on and again during an MRI scan, funeral etc.

[nineseven]

( ) I am being flippant, obviously. But they sound silly. What did they say when you turned it down, Beans?

[Squirrel]

They offered you £1k more :woteva:. That says a lot.

[smalex]

They offered you £1k more :woteva:. That says a lot.

That extra £19.23 a week (before tax) must have been hard to turn down

[Estrella]

I’ve still not had a formal offer but to be fair my new manager has been amazing at communication. I had to have a criminal history check done given the department I’ll be working for which took over a week. And now he’s chasing down the CIO who hasn’t been around to sign off on my appointment so I should get confirmation on Wednesday and will then resign on Thursday.

[nineseven]

I didn't get the job. They said I was their "favourite candidate" so far, but they said to the recruiter that I wanted to change the tone of voice, which is exactly the opposite of what I told them in the interview and in my written pieces. I feel very strongly that the founder simply doesn't want to hand over control of this part of the business to someone else. I think he'd be very difficult because of that. So I give zero fucks.