The Mock Turtle

smalex wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:45 am I have fantasies where everything is rebuilt, but better, more equity of wealth and real determination to pursue solutions to climate change. But yeah. It seems like a wild fantasy. As the NYT article said, after the depression the US got the new deal but Europe got Hitler.

cluefree wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:47 am I can never forget how somebody once described him as looking like someone had ironed Gordon Ramsay.

Offtopic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:49 am Are we doing a separate thread on the leaked labour papers?

Bat Macdui wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:49 am

smalex wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:45 am I have fantasies where everything is rebuilt, but better, more equity of wealth and real determination to pursue solutions to climate change. But yeah. It seems like a wild fantasy. As the NYT article said, after the depression the US got the new deal but Europe got Hitler.

There are already a lot of people predicting a massive swing toward more insular nationalism in Europe, which quite often doesn't end well. National governments are horrified to discover how reliant they are on China when it comes to the crunch, because we all swapped out manufacturing for knowledge economy and we don't make anything anymore. That's a bit sweeping, but mostly right. Nationalist governments can swing more to the socialist than right wing, but they also swing more authoritarian.

Bat Macdui wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:49 am

cluefree wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:47 am I can never forget how somebody once described him as looking like someone had ironed Gordon Ramsay.

I will never be able to unsee this.

Pippedydeadeye wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:05 am

Bat Macdui wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:49 am

cluefree wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:47 am I can never forget how somebody once described him as looking like someone had ironed Gordon Ramsay.

I will never be able to unsee this.

Stop this! You are ruining my crush.

There really does need to be a way to bring back parliament as soon as possible because Peston holding the government to account from his front room isn’t working out.

Bat Macdui wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:13 am I honestly don't know the answer to this either. But I am damn well not giving over my data on an NHS app based on self identification of symptoms and not related to any testing as all of that is massive bollocks. And then this is further complicated by the fact that there just isn't enough of an evidence base on immunity yet anyway. This article is handy.


We don't have an accurate antibody test. We don't know how long immunity might last. And we don't know that even if antibodies stop you from becoming ill whether they are enough to stop you harbouring the virus and spreading it to others.

smalex wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:01 am Is anyone still hoping we might remain? if I hadn't given up hoping for some positive solution to brexit before, I have now. We'll quietly slide off with no deal by the end of the year and itll probably not even matter much.