Montana wrote: ↑Tue Dec 17, 2019 1:18 am
Luce wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:53 pm
Edit; thank you, that was a credible and well thought answer and remarkably similar to what my mum says - although she is against free movement. I don’t necessarily agree with lots of it but I wish so strongly that more Leave people were like that.
It still doesn’t tell me what perceived benefits we’ll get from leaving but I can appreciate the ‘rock/hard place’ argument.
But how do you know there are not 'more' Leave voters like that? Surely that reinforces the point that Lily is heroically making - that discussion with people whose views differ from yours should not necessarily be about trying to change people's minds but to engage with them and de-demonising them (and you to them). The Leave voters I know in real life are in the category of Tsu's son (although in their case this doesn't translate into wanting a Norway type exit)
Obviously it's difficult to say without doing a comprehensive survey of leave voters, but you have to admit there doesn't seem to be a great appetite for it, there didn't seem to be a lot of Leave voters saying 'hey, what about a closer arrangement like we were promised in the campaign?', putting pressure on MPs to come up with some sort of more compromised arrangement. The rise in support for the Brexit party during the EU elections (with a plain, No deal exit stance) and the victory of the Conservatives (who have some shambolic deal not at all like Norway or single market, and who have, at best, made it quite plain they're willing to go for No Deal if neccessary, with some evidence they're actually aiming for No Deal), not to mention vox pops on the TV, surveys I've read etc, seem to indicate a high % of leave voters aren't hankering after a Norway style deal.
I'll grant you we can't assume every leave voter we encounter will feel the same way, but I think it's fairly safe to say that, generally speaking, it's not a popular opinion among Leave voters.