Ollie Robinson Tweets

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Luce wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 4:06 pm Tsu! I’m quite certain that is not what’s going on here! :lol: My mum hinted at something very similar yesterday. It is a bit of a nonsense.

I hate consequences, we all hate consequences. I don’t think destroying someone’s career is appropriate if they’ve appropriately apologised, made amends, are sincere. Like James Gunn from Guardians.

I’ve also said stupid, misogynistic stuff as a kid and I feel the same sensitivity as Lora as my F is doing a brilliant impression of an Incel at the moment. But still. I think it’s critical that we all have room to make mistakes as long as they’re mistakes, not patterns of behaviour.
Yes, alright, I admit it's a bit of a stretch but not too big of a stretch.
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I would disagree with that, I think it’s chalk and cheese; experiencing consequences for your past, shitty behaviour is definitely not the same as being put in prison for pre-crime.

Unless you’re meaning it’s a bit like the thought-police kind of thing? I’d argue there are no consequences for thinking racist/misogynistic thoughts.

Also, I always need to remind myself that things were decidedly not ‘different back then’. Those words were never ok. We all just ignored it more.
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And of course, 'back then' there was no social media or th'internet to record your words for posterity.
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Tsu wrote: Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:12 pm And of course, 'back then' there was no social media or th'internet to record your words for posterity.
I think this is the crux of the matter. I'm not saying for a minute that anyone on here would have said things that were racist or sexist, but even without that, how many of us would honestly be happy to have our past posts, tweets or whatever dragged up and used against us now? I think that if people had to live with that thought as a genuine likelihood (I appreciate that it is, and has always been a possibility) there would be a lot more mental health issues than now.

I know that this sounds as though I am defending him, but I'm not - I'm another who had never heard of him before this, and I hope you all know that I wouldn't condone racism or misogyny in any case - it's the way in which this was brought out on 'the best day of his life'* by some spiteful person with an axe to grind that makes me feel sympathy for him. Gah, that still sounds as though I'm defending him, and I insist that I'm not :lol:. It's the fact that this could happen in one form or another to almost anyone. That, and the fact that I read 'So You've Been Publicly Shamed', and it made me shiver.

*I don't even know why it was the best day of his life, but even so.
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Well, the disgusting things I’ve said at aged 16 will absolutely be on handbag servers somewhere. And disgusting to me because of their misogyny rather than out and out offensive. But they exist.

But honestly, yes, the internet is both the best and worst invention in the world. In Year 7 you can’t have a cross word with someone without screenshots of the conversation going round the whole year. It looks exhausting.
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The covert recording and circulating is something that horrifies me too. At work someone had to resign because a participant in a large departmental briefing meeting held over zoom had been covertly recording it on their phone, and sent around extracts of a conversation which didn’t give the full picture. Who would want to speak at a meeting when that might be a possibility?
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I know that this doesn’t apply to Twitter (although I am prepared to believe that an 18 year old ten years ago might think that he was talking to a few followers), but the thought that private conversations could be used against you is going to be mentally destabilising, even if that never happens. It’s like something from a dystopian novel, or from a totalitarian state which monitors its citizens.

I think we need much stricter rules about what constitutes public interest, and about what can be published that does not fall under that umbrella.
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