Zoomer wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:55 pm
The possibility of long-term side effects (loss of fertility or the ilk). Benefit/risk thing, I suppose.
When I say I looked into it, I mean that I actually read BMJ articles like a total neurotic. :lol:
I have downloaded the full report from the French equivalent. :lol:
Anyway, thank you all for your thoughts.
I have made an appointment for her for two weeks' time and have asked my aunt to discuss it with my cousin, who's a paediatrician with speciality in infectious diseases in Ireland. I will report back on what he says, if anyone wants to hear it.
It's going to be a right ballache trying to convince J though.
I’m going to ask Pete’s cardiac team about her being vaccinated, if/when when the time comes. She’s only just turned 5. I am worried about the risk of myocarditis with her condition but I’m also very scared of her getting covid. It feels a bit lose/lose. Though I will say I’m far more in favour of her being vaccinated against covid than not. I am massively pro vaxx, as she’s more vulnerable and I normally wouldn’t hesitate as she needs them more than most but the cardiac implications have made me think a little bit more this time. I’m basically a mental wreck over it all, all the time. :healthy:
I’m getting E vaccinated (she’s 7). To me the risk of long covid and other complications outweigh the risk of vaccine complications. There’s no evidence of it impacting fertility in any meaningful way.
We do vaccinate children to protect others, rubella for one is to protect pregnant women. But I’m mainly vaccinating her to reduce the risk of serious complications to her. H is too young but as soon as he hits five I’ll register him.
I’m getting both of mine (8 & 10) done in just over a week. For me it’s a risk vs benefit decision. Despite being triple vaxxed, MrE was a bit wary to begin with but now that Covid is running rampant here, he’s come round.
J is vaccinated but I had concerns re fertility with regards to B (who isn't yet old enough here). It wasn't so much that I thought there was a risk, more that I know many women whose cycle has been affected (my own included) and didn't see any evidence of this being taken seriously and explained. Once I started looking, however, the information was there. I found an article by Jen Gunter particularly helpful as it explained in understandable terms how it is impossible for a vaccine of this type to impact fertility. I can try to find it if it would reassure you?
Loralei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:15 pm
J is vaccinated but I had concerns re fertility with regards to B (who isn't yet old enough here). It wasn't so much that I thought there was a risk, more that I know many women whose cycle has been affected (my own included) and didn't see any evidence of this being taken seriously and explained. Once I started looking, however, the information was there. I found an article by Jen Gunter particularly helpful as it explained in understandable terms how it is impossible for a vaccine of this type to impact fertility. I can try to find it if it would reassure you?
Yes please, Lora. I think the vaccine affected my cycle too (or it could be menopause, who even knows anymore) and the effect on women/fertility and it not being taken seriously is one of the reasons I'm hesitating.
Yeah, pretty much everyone I know well enough to talk about cycles with is likely to be perimenopausal, so who knows. The timing was coincidental though.
I don't really belong on this thread because I don't have kids and I don't have that decision to make. But the whole cycle thing has always interested me. I'm heading into menopause and it didn't affect me but I don't dismiss a connection because of the link between oestrogen and the immune system. If there is an effect then maybe it's more to do with that. Stimulate the immune system with a novel virus vaccine and that creates an oestrogen bump leads to unexpected periods etc,. And I can see how that effect would be more pronounced in women where oestrogen is already fluctuating or declining.
Beatrix wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:54 pmhttps://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2021/ ... 021-323040
This article is neutral in that it doesn’t argue either way. It appears there isn’t enough data to know the risk/benefit and therefore very difficult to conclude which way to go, at the moment.
I’m sorry, cluef, it must be very difficult.
Thanks for that article too, Beatrix, it's interesting.
Thankyou for that Lora, The possible fertility issues were my main worry for S, so it was helpful to read that.
For what it’s worth (having now read that) I would get S vaccinated, (she’s 9) as like others have said I gave her all the vaccines you give children without even thinking about it and she has the flu vaccine every year via school.
I do think it’s understandable to be worried, it’s daft I didn’t think twice about getting it myself but it’s the responsibility with a child I think.
If anyone's interested, I had this message just now from my cousin, the paediatrician I mentioned above.
Hey cous, how are you doing? Mam had mentioned that you had some questions about vaccinating kids for Covid. While it is true that kids are much less likely to get severe disease we are seeing some children get this post inflammatory Covid syndrome (called MISC in the US, PIMS in the UK) which appears to also be preventable from the vaccine (mostly occurs in previous well kids, we’ve had a good few end up in ICU). All of the safety data is excellent too. I wouldn’t hesitate to vaccinate [his own daughter] if she was old enough and all of my paediatric colleagues are vaccinating their kids!
So I think that's all my hesitancies cleared up. Now to convince J. :ella:
He did also say in a subsequent message "It's not daft at all, it's not as clear-cut as it is for adults" so that was also reassuring that I'm not in too much danger of losing my marbles about this! :))
