Lola wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:28 pm
I’d love a stick to keep people away from me at work* (or anywhere really)
*When I go back one day...
We had a conversation at work about making the 2m rule a law, pandemic or not. Keep out of my personal space you fuckers.
Topcat wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:31 pm
I don't understand why pubs and restaurants are still open. Surely they have to be the first things to close again if there are issues.
I read somewhere today that if this continues schools may not reopen in September (only a journo opinion, not government fact). I do hope they close down the non-essentials first before they get to this point.
I doubt it, unless the schools are owned by Tory donors
Christ on a bendy bus son, don't be such a fucking faff arse
Luce wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:34 pm
I just don't understand why they can't target the relevant postcodes. The blanket thing over Bradford is absolutely mental.
I would imagine there are lots of reasons and it would make it impossible to enforce. With postcodes, you are going to get even greater absurdities where next door neighbours are on different stages of lockdown.
The biggest reason from my perspective though is that it would be divisive. I'm also in a relatively rural small town on the very edge of a big rough borough and i get that it's quite shit. But I recognise that the reason we have lower infection rates here isn't because we're 'good' but that more of us are able to work from home and we don't live in overcrowded housing or have to use public transport. It seems wrong to say that people who live closer to the urban centres in those boroughs should have more restrictive rules.
We are not all that far from the Yorkshire lockdowns. My husband works in the lockdown area (not in one of the central bits though, but in a bit where they were quite hard hit but not very recently) and to be honest the decision fits with what he's been saying all week which is that there have been so many new cases again, having not had any for weeks, including several healthcare professionals in various community services which is obviously quite worrying in itself, since despite wearing the crappy mandated PPE all day that we are assured is perfectly adequate, various people have managed to infect one another. I completely get that having a general lockdown over a broader area is frustrating and especially the greater manchester one seems like an absolutely massive area, but to be honest the reason we got into this shit storm in the first place is because BoJo only cared about the economy and everything was too little too late. We seriously cannot allow that to happen again.
Sunak is just going to have to extend his furlough scheme or else accept that a massive recession or probably a full-on depression is coming. Unless these half-hearted lockdowns do more than might seem logically possible, they are going to have to close all the restaurants, shops, pubs etc again and we are probably looking at another 6 months to a year or so of homeschooling.
Trials moving fast though! So much money in it for pharma. Phase 3 now happening in several countries now and results looking cautiously promising so maybe 6-9 months.
My friend is taking part in the vaccine trial! She’s had the first dose already and has the second in 3 weeks time and said the trial lasts year. Due to the time difference (she’s in Abu Dhabi) I haven’t managed to get much more out of her.
Yes I know a few people who had the oxford trial, the amount of coordination and effort that has gone into this is quite incredible really. I think in a couple of years we will also have better antivirals too. The vaccine trials so far are only in the under 55s but most of the disease is spread by young people to pools of vulnerable older people eg nursing homes, hospital wards etc. So if we can remove the healthy spreaders, that will make a massive dent even if the vaccine isn’t as effective in older people.
Sorry, I know I'm reacting to this poorly, I knew it was coming and I'm pleased (for the country) that it is - I'd rather a quick, over reaching decision than a slow, narrow one!
I think I just naively thought I'd get more than an hour or so notice so I could gather myself a bit more. Like a day or a weekend or something. And it makes me furious that pubs and hairdressers can merrily be open- if it's serious enough to shut gyms etc then it should be serious enough to shut everything down. And it's insane that I can sit in a pub but not my garden with my mum. Again, I know the reasons and that pubs etc are watched over unlike a garden where anything can happen. I get all of it. I'm just railing against it, emotionally.
This has been handled so cruelly, as well as incompetently. I particularly feel for businesses that were due to reopen this weekend, and now can't, even if it's the right thing to do.
I just had an email from a local beautician who was all ready to go tomorrow - she's had to cancel/postpone 94% of her appointments. I'm not sure how they can go on, to be honest, unless Rishi fancies shaking the magical money tree again.
And those poor sods ready to celebrate Eid who must have been so excited. I mean, people would have had family actually staying in their house last night. Were they supposed to wake them up and kick them out at midnight?
It’s been an absolute bloody shambles and any suggestion that it wasn’t done as fast as possible to prevent eid gatherings is a load of bollocks.
I think BoJo is clinging on to some hope that the economy won’t completely tank which is presumably why they’ve released this utterly contradictory and illogical guidance which basically says you can go anywhere so long as it’s a place you will spend money. Simply socialising is not allowed, because that doesn’t boost the GDP. I reckon in a week or so they’ll be backtracking further. The guardian reported earlier today that mainland France had a 54% rise in cases this week. 54%!!
Luce wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:02 pm
And it's insane that I can sit in a pub but not my garden with my mum. Again, I know the reasons and that pubs etc are watched over unlike a garden where anything can happen.
Luce wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:02 pm
And it's insane that I can sit in a pub but not my garden with my mum.
Am I right that there's no travel restrictions too? So I can travel North and stay in a hotel and eat out and go to the pub with mates, but not have a cup of tea in my parent's garden? Or they can travel down here and visit me in my house? The government has lost the plot.
Have they said how long restrictions are likely to be in place for? I can well imagine Cornwall will be back in lockdown as soon as they've wrung all they can out of the tourists. I'm worrying we've missed the window where I can actually see my parents.
Same Beena. We’ve missed it too. Yes, you can do anything so long as you don’t go to someone’s house. You can, apparently, get on a plane and fly abroad. Leeds Bradford and Manchester airports seem to be operating as usual.
Yep, a spike in cases in France, although it's not /yet/ enough to be different to the spikes we (weirdly) also had at the end of May (in particular) and June.
Corona cases in France.png
(The graph is new confirmed cases, hospitalisations on the map).
R is above 1 in most regions.
R in France.png
Some areas are making masks obligatory everywhere, including outside.
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The spiked percentages are easy to sound high and scary when the numbers are so low, though.
Yes, Beena, weirdly no travel restrictions but as long as you never mix with other households so no pubs with mates. I actually have no idea where you or your parents live so I'm guessing that. Just no mixed households whatever activity you do.
Luce wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:15 am
Yes, Beena, weirdly no travel restrictions but as long as you never mix with other households so no pubs with mates. I actually have no idea where you or your parents live so I'm guessing that. Just no mixed households whatever activity you do.
We're in Cornwall now, they're back home in Manchester. I haven't seen them since Christmas. Mum was diagnosed with dementia a couple of months after we moved and her condition has deteriorated scarily quickly. She has psychosis and can only manage to control the voices for short periods. Meeting outside of their home just isn't an option. I really want to see my dad though and make sure he's okay.
Ah. I though we could 'see' a couple of friends outside, in a pub beer garden, as long as I didn't lick them.
Can anyone interpret this? I cannot understand it, as a law graduate and teacher... Clear comms! Social media suggests you can still meet in beer gardens.
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Luce wrote: ↑Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:15 am
Yes, Beena, weirdly no travel restrictions but as long as you never mix with other households so no pubs with mates. I actually have no idea where you or your parents live so I'm guessing that. Just no mixed households whatever activity you do.
We're in Cornwall now, they're back home in Manchester. I haven't seen them since Christmas. Mum was diagnosed with dementia a couple of months after we moved and her condition has deteriorated scarily quickly. She has psychosis and can only manage to control the voices for short periods. Meeting outside of their home just isn't an option. I really want to see my dad though and make sure he's okay.
TBH in your situation I'd probably still (very carefully) go.
