The Mock Turtle

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:52 am**

It’s things like public toilets not being open now that is making life impossible for people with disabilities or for children to be out. I think so many services have been rolled back that that will stop most people going out for long or further from their homes.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:57 am**

I think you're right, Heebs, I'm just also thinking around that with my 'I've been living with the impact of Cummings for ages now' head on.

I'm not sure we can trust Johnson and his government to do the right, scientifically informed thing, I think we can assume they'll do the media friendly thing. So whilst future lockdowns should be informed by all those factors, I don't implicitly trust they will be, in England at least. And I do think we have to operate now with half an eye on supplies of food and medicines because I think there's potential that stuff like that to go screwy before the end of December as there's going to be a whole load of unknowns having impact; what the EU does with supply (countries are closing in and feeding and treating their own citizens before export, for example, understandably enough); what the autumn brings economically in terms of UK food production; US-UK relations and trade deals etc. And factors which impact the NHS, like exhaustion in existing staff, staff levels not swelled by EU workers, the malign combining of Covid-19 with the usual winter rush, that usual winter rush exacerbated by more extreme levels of poverty.

Sorry, I am very much sounding like the voice of DOOOM here, and it's not that I mean to be. It's more that I really think it's a good time to think practically.

Mainly because anticipation of problems for me is half the battle in dealing with them.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:57 am**

And just women in general (to Pip).

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:02 am**

I've got a dilemma which is Covid related. I've had problems on and off with the joints in my hands for years and have had several cortisone injections. One joint on my right hand is particularly bad at the moment, I cant grip anything or open bottles etc and it is also periodically very painful and swollen. I've left it for ages but finally contacted my GP who referred me to have the injection but the physio who is doing it said that it can reduce your immunity for a few weeks. I thought about it and figured that a. there is no clear end to the Covid situation in sight and b. I'm probably as safe as I can get right now as I work from home and haven't really got any need to go anywhere so I said I would have it.

But now I'm panicking and not sure.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:05 am**

I think you’re right to have it, Bean.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:06 am**

I would go ahead and get it done, and be strict with social distancing for the period of time when your immune system might be lowered.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:08 am**

I agree with baargain.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:09 am**

Ok good. Yes. If I knew when it would all end I'd just put up with it but for all the reasons you've all been discussing over the past few pages, that's just a dream isn't it.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:09 am**

I do too.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:24 am**

Topcat wrote: ↑Mon Jul 06, 2020 9:56 pm I've spoken with two healthcare clients today, one GP and one quite a long way up in a very large pharmaceutical company, and both have independently said that the NHS are bracing themselves for a crisis in November at the moment.

It'll be interesting to see if those Nightingale Hospitals slowly reappear in the coming months.

I'm also sad, everyone (not just here) is so beaten down by these lying cunts in charge that his attack on care homes hasn't really even resonated anywhere.

The kit we have on hire to the NHS for the nightingales are still on hire to them.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:52 am**

I also agree you should have the injection Bean.

Bat Macdui wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:57 am I think you're right, Heebs, I'm just also thinking around that with my 'I've been living with the impact of Cummings for ages now' head on. I'm not sure we can trust Johnson and his government to do the right, scientifically informed thing, I think we can assume they'll do the media friendly thing. So whilst future lockdowns should be informed by all those factors, I don't implicitly trust they will be, in England at least. And I do think we have to operate now with half an eye on supplies of food and medicines because I think there's potential that stuff like that to go screwy before the end of December as there's going to be a whole load of unknowns having impact; what the EU does with supply (countries are closing in and feeding and treating their own citizens before export, for example, understandably enough); what the autumn brings economically in terms of UK food production; US-UK relations and trade deals etc. And factors which impact the NHS, like exhaustion in existing staff, staff levels not swelled by EU workers, the malign combining of Covid-19 with the usual winter rush, that usual winter rush exacerbated by more extreme levels of poverty.

Sorry, I am very much sounding like the voice of DOOOM here, and it's not that I mean to be. It's more that I really think it's a good time to think practically. Mainly because anticipation of problems for me is half the battle in dealing with them.

I agree with all of this, including the personal need to anticipate problems.

Also, certainly we should have staged easing of lockdown so we could tell what led to surges and what didn't, but that didn't happen in England. The dam just burst and now we won't really know (at least not from that source) what it is that needs to be shut back down and what can stay, if we get a spike. Also, I would like to add to Bat's List of Doom the impact specifically of flu season (part of the winter rush clearly) as it's going to be very hard for anyone to know which their symptoms are. I have also started building the stockpile back up, slowly.

I feel like I should make myself do something outside the house at some point soon but I'm not sure what. I don't want public transport to be involved really. Maybe we could drive somewhere and walk (like loads of people have been doing perfectly fine for months

).

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:55 am**

I agree, get it done.

I wasn't planning on getting out and about at all, really but I think it might have to happen to give me the energy we all need for next time. It's a weird mental shift. We've booked camping and we'll do some zoo trips out. I'm tempted to see if we could even book a Center Parcs for August but assume it will be booked out or pointless.

I don't want to lock myself inside till October like a good citizen and then find out we have to start from the beginning in November. It's like a tweet I saw saying how sorry they felt for all the people who did Dry January this year

All those pub invites they would have turned down!

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:07 am**

Ha, that's funny, Luce. Mind you I always think dry January is daft. It's such a miserable month anyway.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:11 am**

I know this will appal people but I reckon we'll be living with this uncertainty for about two years - with all of the intermittent lockdowns, lack of socialising and holidays, mandatory working from home (if you're lucky enough to have a job that allows you to do this) etc that this will entail.

We will definitely get better at treating the virus throughout, but much as I place my faith in science, I don't think we'll have a vaccine ready for next Autumn - Spring 2022 would be realistic I think.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:16 am**

They pharmaceutical company that I mentioned think that they have a vaccine, however they can't be sure how long it lasts.

At the moment they don't think it's any good beyond four months, so it could be the answer, it could be useless and need to be binned.

I don't think I'm going to be going anywhere for as long as humanly possible. They're are too many people doing their own thing regardless, which is their choice of course, but not one that I'm comfortable with at the moment.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:18 am**

Pubs have already had to close. Now there’s a surprise.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:25 am**

Cerise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:18 am Pubs have already had to close. Now there’s a surprise.

Why have they closed?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:27 am**

What, what's gone on? Just some specific ones?

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:29 am**

Three specific ones have had cases reported, so they're closing and contacting everyone who went there on the same day as the infected people.

Posted: **Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:31 am**

That's a very quick response to be fair.

I know my local opened yesterday with strict tracking rules to be adhered to before anybody entered.

Thing is, we're now relying on the entire clientele of these pubs to do the right thing, and who can afford to do that now that a lot of people are coming toward the end of working from home?

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