Talk to me about sourdough - The Fermentation Club!
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Crumpets!!! Do share your secrets when you crack the code.
One of my favourite customers came in this morning and we got chatting about sourdough. She's a fantastic baker and brought me a sourdough brownie recipe a while ago, when she came for an overlocker class. Anyway, I told her the sad tale of the demise of Claude the Starter, and she very kindly popped back in this afternoon with a little pot of her own 40-year-old starter - which was originally given to her by a professional baker from Wexford! How kind was that?!
I've never used a Dutch oven, but I might give it a try after my recent failures. Is there anything I need to do differently? Do I need to put a tray of water in the oven, for instance - or does the Dutch oven do the job that the water would?
One of my favourite customers came in this morning and we got chatting about sourdough. She's a fantastic baker and brought me a sourdough brownie recipe a while ago, when she came for an overlocker class. Anyway, I told her the sad tale of the demise of Claude the Starter, and she very kindly popped back in this afternoon with a little pot of her own 40-year-old starter - which was originally given to her by a professional baker from Wexford! How kind was that?!
I've never used a Dutch oven, but I might give it a try after my recent failures. Is there anything I need to do differently? Do I need to put a tray of water in the oven, for instance - or does the Dutch oven do the job that the water would?
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According to my research you would put the lid on the Dutch oven for the first 20 minutes of baking and that creates the steam - I’m hoping Cos will confirm or correct.
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Edith is correct
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I have started my starter! I'm glad this thread is going again. It has motivated me!
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Exciting! And OTH too, how lovely to get a starter with a story. Although I've only done the Dutch Oven method once (twice if you count the one in the oven now that I'm not confident about) I think that the other part of the not needing to add steam story is that the bread needs to have a high level of hydration in order to create enough steam in the first place. So I don't think it would work on a non-sticky dough, at least not as well. I am not experienced though.
Everything went promisingly for me until just now, as I think my banetton is too big for my Le Creuset (it was ok last time but maybe hadn't risen as much, or maybe I made a smaller loaf). Getting it into the pot was a hassle, and it's not placed correctly (sort of at an angle) and I've deflated it in my effort (as light as I could manage) to manoeuvre it in. I hope it's ok. I think at best it won't have a uniform bottom crust as I don't think all the bottom is touching. Anyway, we'll see in less than an hour. I'll brace myself.
Everything went promisingly for me until just now, as I think my banetton is too big for my Le Creuset (it was ok last time but maybe hadn't risen as much, or maybe I made a smaller loaf). Getting it into the pot was a hassle, and it's not placed correctly (sort of at an angle) and I've deflated it in my effort (as light as I could manage) to manoeuvre it in. I hope it's ok. I think at best it won't have a uniform bottom crust as I don't think all the bottom is touching. Anyway, we'll see in less than an hour. I'll brace myself.
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Good luck, Goat
I have ordered a banneton, which is due to come today and now I think it might be too big
Your sourdough story is very sweet, OTH.
Good luck, PD!
I have ordered a banneton, which is due to come today and now I think it might be too big
Your sourdough story is very sweet, OTH.
Good luck, PD!
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Ok, I've just started a starter because of this thread. This is exciting.
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Ooh! This is excellent.
I just took mine out the oven and it's fine! Not AMAZING, but pretty decent for a first go. (I'll go down and take a picture in a bit, it's cooling). I didn't achieve the surface tension with this one as successfully as with the last one: last time I watched a youtube video on final shaping and tension and it all went well and I could feel I had created a tight surface, this time I was following Tartine (so text and pictures) and it didn't feel the same. I think the bread this time was more billowy at that point (good!) which made it harder to manage, but mostly it was because it had taken so long to prove that I had to get Mr G to pause the evening telly when I needed to shape and fridge, so I didn't feel I could spend ages. So it hasn't got the degree of alien-bursting-out that I'd like, but it's ok.
I just took mine out the oven and it's fine! Not AMAZING, but pretty decent for a first go. (I'll go down and take a picture in a bit, it's cooling). I didn't achieve the surface tension with this one as successfully as with the last one: last time I watched a youtube video on final shaping and tension and it all went well and I could feel I had created a tight surface, this time I was following Tartine (so text and pictures) and it didn't feel the same. I think the bread this time was more billowy at that point (good!) which made it harder to manage, but mostly it was because it had taken so long to prove that I had to get Mr G to pause the evening telly when I needed to shape and fridge, so I didn't feel I could spend ages. So it hasn't got the degree of alien-bursting-out that I'd like, but it's ok.
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Quasi alien. ( NB, just moved it off the cooling rack to take photo as the angle is otherwise impossible. It is back now, please do not worry).
( I scored a broken square, you can see how it was in the pot wonky by the way it came out with something entirely different, but its bottom looks unimpeded)
Slicing will occur later.( I scored a broken square, you can see how it was in the pot wonky by the way it came out with something entirely different, but its bottom looks unimpeded)
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I am intrigued. It looked pretty good. Nice crust.
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Thanks, I think that if it were perfect first time I would be set up for a lifetime of bread disappointment. Like a first boyfriend, you want the first loaf to be delicious but not unsurpassable. And I have learnt quite a lot. Also like a first boyfriend.
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That looks gorgeous! Unlike MY first boyfriend
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Yes but how does the first boyfriend bread taste? What's his crumb like? Hole structure? Sour tang?
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I don't know yet, I'm waiting for his body to go cold.
(Will cut him for my lunch in about half an hour).
(Will cut him for my lunch in about half an hour).
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Better than I expected! Critique welcomed, I am keen to learn.
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Definite sour tang, chewy, crust could be crisper. Possibly that I faffed about trying to get it in the pot and lost heat. Perhaps could benefit from a bit longer in the oven? I took it to an internal temp of 98C but bread doesn't seem to be an exact science in that particular regard. It's lovely BTW, I'm just enjoying figuring this stuff out.
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That looks lovely! Really nice. Good first boyfriend
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Thank you! So far it's surpassing reality.
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It looks bloody amazing to my untrained eye.
I keep having a peek at mine to see if it's doing anything.
I keep having a peek at mine to see if it's doing anything.
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It looks great to me! I also want to make crumpets. I'd been sneaking in occasional trips to Good and Proper Tea on Leather Lane for their homemade crumpets whilst travelling for work but they closed earlier in the month and I'm really missing them
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