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kiwi wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:52 pm If it comes to it I wonder if pubs that serve food would be allowed to stay open? No different to a restaurant surely.
I think this should absolutely be the case. People sitting at tables, at a distance, should be fine. The one pub I've been to was really stringent. It seems a shame that they will all have to shut when it's actually a minority of pubs and punters that are a problem.

Schools are definitely more police-able and kids do need a routine.
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Ruby wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:31 pmBut at the moment we are being told that neither us nor the children should wear masks in school.
Both A & E’s schools have said masks are not allowed in school. And A’s school has advised students to wear extra layers and outdoor coats because all windows and doors in the school will be open at all times.

Selfishly, I would love schools to offer a hybrid, home/school system so we could switch between the two, but I can’t see how that would be workable from a teaching perspective; it would mean teachers have twice the workload.
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Princess Morripov wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:19 pm Aside from the education factor, it’s the socialisation for children and the effect that has on them too, I feel in the main adults are a little bit more equipped to deal with this, or at least even though it’s shit we understand why things are they way they are.
My 7 year old has struggled and she can't even put it into words. She started Year 2 in September, but in December her teacher went off long-term sick and ultimately never came back, though there were repeated 'hopefully next weeks' which I think prevented a long term plan.

The class had a substitute, who was nice but A quickly said the work was just worksheets and wordsearches, and they didn't seem to be doing a topic anymore. Then school closed in March. She was set one basic question a day on Seesaw, and some days not even that (some days forgotten, sometimes a vague 'play in the garden' task) and I had no real idea what sort of expectations she was supposed to meet or topics it might be valuable for her to study.

She really, really missed other children and adults to talk to and missed enjoying schoolwork - her submissions were rarely given any feedback. She was just posting into the void. In June her older brother and only playmate goes back to school, she now has increased loneliness. I do what I can but I'm not a class of friends. She asks, and cannot fathom, why a Year 6's need to be in class is greater than hers. She admits she is struggling to remember school. She says she is afraid of not settling in to Year 3 and, whilst a kid who loves school, is too afraid it won't reopen to let herself look forward to it. To me, this is giving her a sense of dread that a happy little kid should not experience.

She's the one I'm worried about now. She was right in-between that immaturity of the fresh Year 2 (6, going on 7) and wanting to mature and knuckle down to new work and stuff, then suddenly, boom, stuck at home colouring a picture of a bee for months. I feel she's been hit harder, and she can't even verbalise it. T can video call his friends, she can't (no contact details and kids that age unlikely to have phones anyway). He takes each day as it comes and doesn't seem fussed by it all, she worries about the future and 'what ifs' more than I think is healthy.

If she's a pretty resilient, supported kid and she's been hit this hard I dread to think how kids with less support are getting on.
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Edith Bacon wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:30 pm Selfishly, I would love schools to offer a hybrid, home/school system so we could switch between the two, but I can’t see how that would be workable from a teaching perspective; it would mean teachers have twice the workload.
I know that my school have trialed technology in the summer and towards the end of last term to make this possible in case of local lockdowns. However, parents (not you! :)) ) need to manage their expectations. Planning is really complex and when you have spent months and months writing a curriculum then you can't just flip it to distance learning. It's easier in secondary schools but very few primary lessons can be delivered remotely. Add in the fact that teachers are also homeschooling their own kids, or that schools may well be understaffed (for reasons Five talks about), and you can see that it would be difficult.
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It sounds impossibly difficult.
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Ruby, it sounds such a task. Made harder by so much uncertainty.
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Tbh I am quite a chalk & talk teacher so it wouldn't be *completely* awful for me. I can just do the talking online :)) I just don't know how primary teachers - or those teaching other subjects manage.
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Online schooling would be (has been) disastrous for a lot of kids, those who don't have laptops, broadband, supportive/interested parents, or parents who want to help but don't have the time, ability or wherewithal to do so. Even having the space to home school is a luxury in itself.
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Especially when space will be being given over to working adults too.

I know a couple who just bought a little starter home, new build, two bed. Their company has now declared they're remote only now and are selling the office. This is basically my worst nightmare.
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Little My wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:52 pm But people are not reasonable with other things, even though they are adamant their kids must return to schools. Local beaches here had to be temporarily closed again because people weren't staying apart. That's not just young people after a drink or two, that's families ignoring the rules and basically shooting themselves in the foot.
Yep, the families who have been the most vocal about their children going back to school have been the ones who haven’t been social distancing. They’re flying off to see grandparent, gathering on beaches and in homes or fucking Disney. :ruby:

Our teachers were so on it with online learning and did a brilliant job. They must have been working around the clock to get everything up and running and I feel so bad for them as parents were still slagging them. Even with plenty of work and virtual face time remote schooling has been so fucking hard.

Trying to control a class remotely seems near impossible - having all the kids talking at you with a time lag, muting one another, messaging whilst you’re talking, gaming etc.
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I also think an ongoing lack of contact with other children will have an enormous and longlasting impact on children's social development, emotional wellbeing and mental health. I don't understand how we can seriously be considering a world where children can't go to school but people can still go on planes to beach holidays at busy resorts, go to concerts and gyms and nightclubs and other places where people heavy breathe over each other in confined spaces, and go to the pub to get pissed. And yet the kids can't go to school. It's also hugely unfair on key workers who have no choice but to go to work, so had to send their kids to school anyway, where many parents were told that key worker childcare was only for childcare and not for teaching, so they wouldn't be supervising any work because that would put the other children at a disadvantage, so all the set work had to be done at home in the evenings. I mean. The mind boggles. None of this is remotely sustainable. It's going to create an even greater social divide because more of those who can afford it are going to start privately educating their children. What the hell are we going to be left with in 5 or 10 years.
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Online school isn't school at all, to me. Maybe it is just mine but young children just can't seem to learn like that, not in the same way as when they can physically touch, smell, see, handle things etc. Not to mention the crucial aspect of socialisation, it doesn't even touch the sides. So even more galling that poor teachers have to spend time on it when it then serves no purpose. The whole thing is a fucking shambles.
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Ruby wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:06 pm
Edith Bacon wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:30 pm Selfishly, I would love schools to offer a hybrid, home/school system so we could switch between the two, but I can’t see how that would be workable from a teaching perspective; it would mean teachers have twice the workload.
I know that my school have trialed technology in the summer and towards the end of last term to make this possible in case of local lockdowns. However, parents (not you! :)) ) need to manage their expectations. Planning is really complex and when you have spent months and months writing a curriculum then you can't just flip it to distance learning. It's easier in secondary schools but very few primary lessons can be delivered remotely. Add in the fact that teachers are also homeschooling their own kids, or that schools may well be understaffed (for reasons Five talks about), and you can see that it would be difficult.
Totally agree. I think you could remotely teach several subjects to secondary students, but Mr5/R is dreading trying to teach science without hands on activities and interaction. At least he won't be setting fire to himself this year, so that's a bonus.
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I must be overreacting to this, I just can't see how. Fuck the risk to me by youngest returning to school, I simply don't want my children (ha! one is 21! :lol: ) to be exposed to this shit if they don't need to be.

Think I'm going to go have some wine and step away for a bit. I feel rubbish.
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It's all so difficult. Our schools return on the 11th and I have no idea how it'll work with our spike in cases.
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Topcat wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:03 pm I must be overreacting to this, I just can't see how. Fuck the risk to me by youngest returning to school, I simply don't want my children (ha! one is 21! :lol: ) to be exposed to this shit if they don't need to be.
I feel quite similar at the moment. I feel that there’s a midway point between no school and full school and do think I’d be happier with part time for the rest of the year until we know more.
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TC, I get it, I really do and I just feel lucky that M will no longer go to school and I don't have this dilemma.
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I don't think you're overreacting to this, TC. I don't think it's a good idea, despite understanding first hand how hard it is and all the implications for children to be out of school. My very first retweet since 2009 was this.
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Kleio wrote: Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:10 pm I feel quite similar at the moment. I feel that there’s a midway point between no school and full school and do think I’d be happier with part time for the rest of the year until we know more.
That's what I want. But logically, lots of those kids when not in school will not be able to stay home so they end up with more exposure and bring that back to class with them. And part-time seems the only way to be able to effectively physically distance. I can't see an answer. Our high school students will be doing that, but they can stay home without a parent and get on with school work through online learning.

Reading things like Five's retweet (!), it just makes me want to keep them home. :cry:
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I don't know where you are, Little My, but this tweet was from the US, I'm not trying to upset those in the UK who are having better results.
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