*this is a different thread, don't be going state of the boards, I can barely keep up with all the things I have an opinion about on this thread as it is
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Yes, but you were posting as someone who regretted her actions rather than someone standing by them. I feel that it would be a very thankless task for someone who stood by their vote (whether that's Leave in 2016 or Tory now) to post on here as an isolated voice and even just argue the points against so many, let alone withstand the level of reproach.smalex wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:23 am as someone who did put their head over the parapet to explain why I voted that way in 2010, I felt the responses I got were very measured. If anyone thought I was a idiot/selfish they certainly were good enough to keep it to themselves. I'm quite sure no one thought I'd done the right thing, I didn't change anyone's minds (although I didn't post trying to), but I think there was a spirit of understanding about it. From my very honest opinion.
That's exactly what I mean. The comments on the history pages are all about how they knew real poverty (which I'm not doubting at all - Newcastle in the 30s would have been bloody grim for a lot of people), but the fact that they didn't have TVs because they weren't invented, or that charity shops then (if they existed) didn't sell shoes as those who had them passed them down to seven other kids just passes them by. It's about only acknowledging something if you have experienced it in exactly the same way.sally maclennane wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:04 amIts the concept of relative poverty, I guess. Sure there's very few kids running around barefoot but there is so much information about food bank use that to me, it can only be wilful ignorance. It's that thing of people imagining that poverty is due to one's own recklessness, and that if they were poor, they'd be somehow better at being poor than the actual poor. They wouldn't waste money on mobile phones, or big tellies![]()
I suspect that the majority of voters in this country (both Tory and others) have no knowledge of the specifics of most policy whatsover. One of the most depressing aspects of this election has been the resistance to any but the most simplistic of messages. (i.e. Get Brexi Done).Skips wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:42 am As the wife of someone with a disability that relies on the state (and yes I realise we take holidays, but we budget for those every month - not that I should justify this, we're entitled to not just live with basics), I'd be interested to hear from a Conservative supporter on how they feel about Learning, Disability and Autism funding dropping down to £0 by 2023. What happens then? What happens when we can't afford private healthcare? (Which J probably wouldn't get anyway due to existing conditions). What happens if I get ill and I have to take time off and pay for healthcare and J hasn't got a carer and I earn too much (hahahahahahaha) to get additional support? What happens if J has an assessment and is told that he may improve, but he won't? Nerve damage doesn't repair itself, he can barely get out of bed some days, let alone work. What happens if our universal credit gets taken away?
Yes, that's a fair point.Montana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:56 amYes, but you were posting as someone who regretted her actions rather than someone standing by them. I feel that it would be a very thankless task for someone who stood by their vote (whether that's Leave in 2016 or Tory now) to post on here as an isolated voice and even just argue the points against so many, let alone withstand the level of reproach.smalex wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:23 am as someone who did put their head over the parapet to explain why I voted that way in 2010, I felt the responses I got were very measured. If anyone thought I was a idiot/selfish they certainly were good enough to keep it to themselves. I'm quite sure no one thought I'd done the right thing, I didn't change anyone's minds (although I didn't post trying to), but I think there was a spirit of understanding about it. From my very honest opinion.
I voted Remain and anti Tory and feel both those views very strongly. However, I in no way feel that the majority of people who voted opposite are stupid or immoral, and I do find the vehemence uncomfortable sometimes (while at the same time suspecting that I may have contributed to it).
I think Ian Dunt shared a twitter post about how many constituencies would've been lost by a clear Leave agenda. It basically more or less weighed up the same.Montana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:02 pm Genuine question: if Labour had stood on a clear Leave ticket would this have made a difference to the outcome (or would distrust of Corbyn have overridden this?) And, with the benefit of hindsight, would this have been the correct thing to do to avoid a Tory victory? Because it seems to be that this is what it came down to.
is being blanketed as racism/stupidity. If you say things like that to people, then they won't listen.There is a huge issue with people being very badly misled on policies, with media bias that isn't understood by its readership, with actual outright lying, with people lacking basic understanding of civics/economics