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Tbh I am quite a chalk & talk teacher so it wouldn't be "completely* awful for me. I can just do the talking online :)) I just don't know how primary teachers - or those teaching other subjects manage.

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Online schooling would be (has been) disastrous for a lot of kids, those who don't have laptops, broadband, supportive/interested parents, or parents who want to help but don't have the time, ability or wherewithal to do so. Even having the space to home school is a luxury in itself.
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Especially when space will be being given over to working adults too.

I know a couple who just bought a little starter home, new build, two bed. Their company has now declared they're remote only now and are selling the office. This is basically my worst nightmare.

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Little My wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 3:52 pm
But people are not reasonable with other things, even though they are adamant their kids must return to schools. Local beaches here had to be temporarily closed again because people weren't staying apart. That's not just young people after a drink or two, that's families ignoring the rules and basically shooting themselves in the foot.
Yep, the families who have been the most vocal about their children going back to school have been the ones who haven’t been social distancing. They’re flying off to see grandparent, gathering on beaches and in homes or fucking Disney. :ruby:

Our teachers were so on it with online learning and did a brilliant job. They must have been working around the clock to get everything up and running and I feel so bad for them as parents were still slagging them. Even with plenty of work and virtual face time remote schooling has been so fucking hard.

Trying to control a class remotely seems near impossible - having all the kids talking at you with a time lag, muting one another, messaging whilst you’re talking, gaming etc.

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I also think an ongoing lack of contact with other children will have an enormous and longlasting impact on children's social development, emotional wellbeing and mental health. I don't understand how we can seriously be considering a world where children can't go to school but people can still go on planes to beach holidays at busy resorts, go to concerts and gyms and nightclubs and other places where people heavy breathe over each other in confined spaces, and go to the pub to get pissed. And yet the kids can't go to school. It's also hugely unfair on key workers who have no choice but to go to work, so had to send their kids to school anyway, where many parents were told that key worker childcare was only for childcare and not for teaching, so they wouldn't be supervising any work because that would put the other children at a disadvantage, so all the set work had to be done at home in the evenings. I mean. The mind boggles. None of this is remotely sustainable. It's going to create an even greater social divide because more of those who can afford it are going to start privately educating their children. What the hell are we going to be left with in 5 or 10 years.

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Online school isn't school at all, to me. Maybe it is just mine but young children just can't seem to learn like that, not in the same way as when they can physically touch, smell, see, handle things etc. Not to mention the crucial aspect of socialisation, it doesn't even touch the sides. So even more galling that poor teachers have to spend time on it when it then serves no purpose. The whole thing is a fucking shambles.

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Ruby wrote:
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Edith Bacon wrote:
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Selfishly, I would love schools to offer a hybrid, home/school system so we could switch between the two, but I can’t see how that would be workable from a teaching perspective; it would mean teachers have twice the workload.
I know that my school have trialed technology in the summer and towards the end of last term to make this possible in case of local lockdowns. However, parents (not you! :)) ) need to manage their expectations. Planning is really complex and when you have spent months and months writing a curriculum then you can't just flip it to distance learning. It's easier in secondary schools but very few primary lessons can be delivered remotely. Add in the fact that teachers are also homeschooling their own kids, or that schools may well be understaffed (for reasons Five talks about), and you can see that it would be difficult.
Totally agree. I think you could remotely teach several subjects to secondary students, but Mr5/R is dreading trying to teach science without hands on activities and interaction. At least he won't be setting fire to himself this year, so that's a bonus.
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I must be overreacting to this, I just can't see how. Fuck the risk to me by youngest returning to school, I simply don't want my children (ha! one is 21! :lol: ) to be exposed to this shit if they don't need to be.

Think I'm going to go have some wine and step away for a bit. I feel rubbish.

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It's all so difficult. Our schools return on the 11th and I have no idea how it'll work with our spike in cases.
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Topcat wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:03 pm
I must be overreacting to this, I just can't see how. Fuck the risk to me by youngest returning to school, I simply don't want my children (ha! one is 21! :lol: ) to be exposed to this shit if they don't need to be.
I feel quite similar at the moment. I feel that there’s a midway point between no school and full school and do think I’d be happier with part time for the rest of the year until we know more.

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TC, I get it, I really do and I just feel lucky that M will no longer go to school and I don't have this dilemma.

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I don't think you're overreacting to this, TC. I don't think it's a good idea, despite understanding first hand how hard it is and all the implications for children to be out of school. My very first retweet since 2009 was this.
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Kleio wrote:
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I feel quite similar at the moment. I feel that there’s a midway point between no school and full school and do think I’d be happier with part time for the rest of the year until we know more.
That's what I want. But logically, lots of those kids when not in school will not be able to stay home so they end up with more exposure and bring that back to class with them. And part-time seems the only way to be able to effectively physically distance. I can't see an answer. Our high school students will be doing that, but they can stay home without a parent and get on with school work through online learning.

Reading things like Five's retweet (!), it just makes me want to keep them home. :cry:

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I don't know where you are, Little My, but this tweet was from the US, I'm not trying to upset those in the UK who are having better results.

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Are they actually saying that 0.02% of school age children will die? Or is that based on the percentage of the ones who have tested positive, ie those who have been symptomatic? I mean it's depressing, but I hope not true. It would be too awful to contemplate.

I don't think you're overreacting TC. You have been shielding and must feel at much higher risk than the rest of us do - and even we are nervous. If anything at all can be reopened, I feel that schools will give the highest value in terms of education, social skills, repairing the relationship between children and parents and allowing parents to work. Opening pubs is about keeping the economy going but schools do that and a whole load more. I think that's why it's deemed higher priority.

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Science teachers love a bit of pyromania. :mrgreen:
Topcat wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:03 pm
I must be overreacting to this, I just can't see how. Fuck the risk to me by youngest returning to school, I simply don't want my children (ha! one is 21! :lol: ) to be exposed to this shit if they don't need to be.
I get it too. I am just resigned. I think shielding can also make you very nervous about going out in general.
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Five, your husband on fire. :lol:

I am glad I don't have to think about the schools issue because, christ, it's impossible isn't it? There's not really a good answer.
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FiveO'Clock wrote:
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I don't know where you are, Little My, but this tweet was from the US, I'm not trying to upset those in the UK who are having better results.
Ontario. So we have better stats than the US and the UK, but I'm concerned about things fully opening with cases spiking and a potential second wave. And, frankly, the border is a worry.

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I think shielding has meant that you have, quite understandably, a skewed perspective. Or I have. Or we both do! But having had children back in school, full time, for 5 weeks (many tests got carried out, all came back negative) during June/July then I feel significantly safer than when we were in lockdown. I accept that we might all have been just very lucky? I felt very, very nervous that first week. Felt absolutely fine by the third week.

If you broke your leg, you'd not dream of not using a hospital. Schools come under the same category for me, at the moment.

I do draw the line somewhere though and don't think I'd consider it if I lived in the US.

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Luce wrote:
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I think shielding has meant that you have, quite understandably, a skewed perspective. Or I have. Or we both do! But having had children back in school, full time, for 5 weeks (many tests got carried out, all came back negative) during June/July then I feel significantly safer than when we were in lockdown. I accept that we might all have been just very lucky? I felt very, very nervous that first week. Felt absolutely fine by the third week.

If you broke your leg, you'd not dream of not using a hospital. Schools come under the same category for me, at the moment.

I do draw the line somewhere though and don't think I'd consider it if I lived in the US.
The results you've had make me feel much more hopeful about the situation. That said, I cannot understand how anyone will not get coronavirus from another individual if in the same room for 6 or more hours a day (assuming someone has it, of course). From the little we do know, the viral loads indoors (without outside air being pumped in) will almost guarantee transmission.

While the hospitals were still open for emergencies, such as breaking a leg, they did stop non-emergency services for a long while and I would consider those services more immediately important than rather kids are back to school or home school for even an entire year. But I think the hardest part for parents is not actually knowing what risk they are choosing for their children. It's all so unclear. Our children here were sent home on March 13th. We don't know how many would have been sick had the schools waited a couple of weeks until our Spring break. We don't know what will happen when children return to classrooms in the fall. We don't even know the long term effects on asymptomatic children exposed to Covid. I just don't want children to be the guinea pigs.

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